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  1. 3 points
    I was asked to chime in on this topic-- keep in mind that as an FPGA developer I am biased, but I will try to create an unbiased suggestion. Firstly, as xover said above, with $0.10 electrical, GPU mining is not profitable at home anymore (at least not 'worth' the trouble for most people). I was a GPU miner (46 cards), I sold them all because my electrical is $0.10. Huge centralized GPU farms have very low electrical rates, and for them, GPU's are very profitable. So, in my mind, 'supporting' GPU mining means you are really just supporting huge centralized GPU farms, which are the only places where GPU mining is really profitable. FPGA mining is profitable at home, with any electrical rate. Anyone can buy a $179 Blackminer F1 Mini FPGA to mine Denarius with the current Tribus algorithm, and the power consumption is only 50 watts. To use an example similar to Denarius, the Verus coin team were not happy when the Blackminer guys released a bitstream to mine Verus coin, so the Verus team 'forked' to 'kick' the FPGA's off their network, and within 3 weeks, the Blackminer team reprogrammed their FPGA's and release a new public bitstream to mine the 'new' Verus algorithm and now F1 owners are mining Verus again-- a huge waste of time by the Verus team, doing a complex and risky hard-fork for no gain whatsoever. Denarius team can do whatever they want with their project, but I repeat that doing anything to try to 'support' GPU mining is just supporting huge centralized GPU farms, and 'forking' to 'kick' FPGA's off the network will keep them off for maybe 2-3 weeks at best. If you truly want FPGA's off the network, you have only two choices of algorithms, ProgPOW and Ethash, which are the only two algorithms that FPGA's cannot mine well at all; but if you choose those algorithms you are choosing to support huge centralized GPU farms which are the only places that can mine with GPU's at any decent profit. Choose wisely!
  2. 2 points
    If you fork, fork to an equal distribution algo. If Carsen/devs can come up with a new way to keep the playing field fair that would be amazing. For those that think adding memory usage inhibits fpgas you are wrong, yes it lowers their lead over gpus but you cannot fork away from fpas. Their effectiveness however can be reduced. Unfortunately a biproduct like progpow is high power usage for all which is a shame imo. Verus 2.0 has a really low power usage, and is a good example of what can be done. Edit: Really the poll options should be no fork, or fork to equal distribution algo. Anything else only buys a short period of time.
  3. 2 points
    All I see for votes PRO FPGA are freshly made accounts, sent here to vote because someone from FPGA community asked them to do so. Seems that the twitter vote being askewed by 63-37% wasn't already telling enough. The entire Denarius discord, even those who own FPGA's are against the idea of keeping FPGA's on Tribus. They don't see additional value in keeping them on, for those FPGA guys coming it here telling it's lacking trade volume and they are no threat? I've been in your Discord yesterday, you guys want to achieve 200k Denarius in a matter of months, the total supply will never exceed 10 million coins. Yet us GPU miners know how slow Denerius trickles in when it's mined en masse with even just GPU's only. We weren't waiting for you coinhoggers to claim almost 80% of daily POW rewards. I've seen yesterday dat alot from your community doen't even know what Denarius features are, you were wondering if it was a long term or short term hold now when the debate was openened about changing the algo to GPU only. Some of you still had to look up it's features, I mean? You guys cry about a coin you know jack shit about but the profit you might lose that is your only interest. Yet we as the Denarius community don't want you to mine it, that is the main sentiment from nearly all members in Discord, yet you guys take the lead in votes. Why is that? Cuz you already asked the entire FPGA community to vote on the twitter poll and they are not slowly being sent in here to do the same. Member it's a community vote, the ones who don't want this are more vocal than those who are PRO FPGA, cuz let's face it, those voting here pro FPGA only found out yesterday that Denarius has a masternode stystem (FS) or POS, or POW ending in about 1.25kk blocks? And they didn't even know they were talking to Carsen (the dev) before he popped a vain. So, the people who are less invested in it emotionally or connected to the brand and the coin itself, are the ones who are pulling this vote towards them. Claiming they will dump the coin when we change the algo because they say it becomes worthless if THEY can not mine it. Tell me how does it become worthless when all the suddon it's no longer being mined by a select few but is being mined by the masses, giving a broader audience to reach with GPU only mining and avoiding centralizing our coin supply in the hands of a few who are either willing ot obtain 200k (0.2% of max supply) until they can dump it for profit or those who just dump it immediatly after they mine it. Open up your eyes, pull those dollar signs out of your sight and face it, FPGA people are NOT interested in the wellbeing of Denarius only thing tha matter is their own wallet. But hey, make some more newbie accounts, copy paste some messages from eachother and nothing happened right? We'll see, we'll see!
  4. 2 points
    Forking will give us some publicity. We need publicity
  5. 2 points
    Keep it GPU only, keeps the coin open for a wide audience rather than a select few who have this technology adopted already.
  6. 1 point
    Best to download this MiniKey Generator, so you can generate and redeem keys offline. https://carsenk.github.io/ Download and unzip. After unzipping, disconnect from internet and double click index.html Lets generate 1 MiniKey, Input 1, then click Generate. The first part is your privminikey, and the second part is your D address. Lets convert this to your privkey to import into your QT wallet. Select this underlined area and copy (ctrl+c). Then click Convert D Minikey to WIF. Paste the minikey into the next page and click Convert. I changed my minikey through this so its different, but now you get your D address and typical privkey to import into the QT or daemon.
  7. 1 point
    To run ElectrumX, use Ubuntu 16.04 and have the denariusd daemon already setup. I tried this first in a VM. #install python 3.7 sudo apt update sudo apt install software-properties-common sudo add-apt-repository ppa:deadsnakes/ppa sudo apt update sudo apt install python3.7 #install pip sudo apt-get install python-pip sudo apt-get install python3-pip #prepare for installing electrumx (this could use some pruning) sudo apt-get install python3.7 python3.7-dev python3-pip libleveldb-dev libssl-dev python3-distutils sudo -H python3.7 -m pip install plyvel pylru aiorpcx aiohttp sudo apt-get install build-essential libsnappy-dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev libgflags-dev cmake liblz4-dev sudo python3.7 -m pip install --upgrade pip setuptools wheel sudo apt-get install python3.7-dev sudo python3.7 -m pip install --upgrade aiohttp pylru leveldb plyvel aiorpcx ecdsa tribus_hash #Use electrumx installer script wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bauerj/electrumx-installer/master/bootstrap.sh -O - | bash #Use service electrumx start to start electrumx once it's configured #Generating TLS certificates #electrumx has been installed successfully. Edit /etc/electrumx.conf to configure it. Replace denariusrpc and the password with your stuff configured in denarius.conf in ~/.denarius/denarius.conf Don't forget to have txindex=1 in your denarius.conf as well. sudo nano /etc/electrumx.conf #electrumx.conf # default /etc/electrumx.conf for systemd COIN = Denarius # REQUIRED DB_DIRECTORY = /db # Bitcoin Node RPC Credentials DAEMON_URL = http://RPCUSERNAME:[email protected]:32369/ # See http://electrumx.readthedocs.io/en/latest/environment.html for # information about other configuration settings you probably want to consider. DB_ENGINE=leveldb SSL_CERTFILE=/etc/electrumx/server.crt SSL_KEYFILE=/etc/electrumx/server.key TCP_PORT=50001 SSL_PORT=50002 # Listen on all interfaces: HOST= #run electrumx server service electrumx start #check its running journalctl -u electrumx -f #test openssl s_client -connect IPGoesHere:50002
  8. 1 point
    Let the FPGA keep strengthen the DNR network. There are no reasons to hate or afraid FPGAs. Unlike ASICs FPGAs are relatively expensive in preparation for mining, so I doubt you will ever see a sheds full of FPGAs... So let it be... Please... Personally I have only 6 Acorn CLE-215+ ans 2 BCU1525. Am I dangerous for DNR?..
  9. 1 point
    Hello Denarius Community! We are looking to get votes and opinions on the recent development with FPGA miners on our network (Field Programmable Gate Arrays, e.g. Specialized hardware to mine our PoW Tribus algorithm). We are looking to get votes to help determine what route Denarius will take in keeping our current Tribus PoW algorithm or if we should move forward and fork away from it to a new unreleased PoW algorithm, forcing FPGAs off the network. Our PoW mining will only last for one more year roughly, so please think hard about your vote and take your time, feel free to discuss your opinion with the rest of the community below. Please vote in the poll above and\or post your reasoning behind your vote here!
  10. 1 point
    Because it will just go back to Asics, like the previous thread I posted about LTC, all back into a complete circle. Someone will have an advantage no matter what. As one of those mythical hobby miners. I have 1 GPU rig mining D right now. I did quite well doing this years ago with no cares in the world. Just keep mining however I could. Wish I stayed on BTC with GPU's when everyone said oh you can't do it ASIC's are here. barf. I am for FPGA's as I don't see why all these coins are forking their algo's. Seems like a waste of time better spent on something else.
  11. 1 point
    VTC forked away from Lyra2rev2 because both asics and FPGAs were heavily on that algo, to lyra2rev3. There was no network interruption, and that network didn't see a huge return of either piece of hardware yet in a major way. Forking is dangerous, and shouldn't be rushed. Give many weeks of notice. FPGAs are hard to design around, but not impossible, you needn't become impossible to mine with them, just less easy or way harder to do than other coins to take the target off your back in the short term to be able to plan another fork later on in the long term. Yes GPU farms have a power advantage and economy of scale, it is only a matter of time before the same thing happens to FPGAs, and then you're in the same situation as before. I'd actually guess that by the time a home miner can't gpu mine with $0.10, your network has already been invested with FPGAs and/or asics. As soon as your profitability falls below other gpu mined coins, and there isn't any reason to explain it (like much better liquidity causing people to mine at a loss for less risk), then the best explanation is that people are mining on your network using hardware with a much higher hash/watt. If it was a gpu-mined coin primarily then hashrate markets would like zergpool or nicehash and the like would have the bots operating on there arbitraging its mining profitability using rented hashrate until it was in line with other gpu mined coins. The fact that this isn't happening points to fpgas/asics, and it would date back to when the coin first diverged in profitability from other gpu mined coins. You'd have to be an idiot to think gpu farms are on a coin with $600 in daily volume (according to CMC). A single farm (large enough to actually achieve economies of scale to reduce costs)would crash the price to literally zero. Keeping mining on gpus is a hard goal, it will only get harder over time, ask yourself if you're ready for that fight. If its worth it to keep that low barrier to entry to participating in consensus. I didn't vote in the poll, I have no stake in either side, but please carefully consider the what the raw data implies for your specific case and history, not just generalities.
  12. 1 point
    Is it possible to change my vote? I voted against FPGA, Now after reading a lot of the discussions here I actually think it'd be best just to leave FPGAs. If people with GPUs want to compete mining then buy a cheap FPGA. Who are we benefiting by changing the Algo for GPU over FPGA?? Only really a small group that have invested a lot in GPU mining and have a lot of GPU cards. The average person with 1 or 2 GPUs is most likely not mining D anymore because the power cost is too high (I'm one of those). If it's possible for us 'average' joe miner to buy an FPGA and mine D to HODL then maybe that's a better outcome then a select group with huge amounts of GPU.
  13. 1 point
    I'd just like to clarify the thing about the Verus fork, saying that FPGAs jumped back on their network within weeks is very misleading. It was only easy because FPGAs were allowed back on the network because the algorithm VerusHash 2.0, that Verus designed themselves, was kept from being memory hard consciously to avoid locking out certain types of hardware, especially with FPGAs in mind. It was specifically designed to better equalize hashrates across hardware types while being tailored for CPU inherent architecture for the greatest decentralization and the best of both worlds. It's a very tricky subject, one that they faced months ago and one that looks eerily similar to many conversations popping up all around different discord channels more and more lately. On one hand you have an established group with some diehard community members and on the other hand you have a newer more efficient tech, holding a current advantage and leading the inevitable march of progress. Ultimately, the issue lies in PoWs insatiable and growing appetite for energy and hardware and where this is PoWs very nature, it seems there's no easy solution. I certainly don't know the answer. Verus chose what they hoped would be a balanced approach and where the price is still doing well and CPUs and FPGAs can coexist on one network successfully, I think it is working out well for them so far. So perhaps there is a third option? Whatever way it goes, I wish you all the best. Diversity and cooperation are just a few of the beautiful little bits of this space that seem to make it all worthwhile and when I see a passionate community making democratic decisions, my only hope is that they get to accomplish what it is they set out to do.
  14. 1 point
    Another example is LUXcoin; they used the Phi1612 algorithm; FPGA's came on their network, so they tried to fork to a 'new' FPGA resistant algorithm called Phi2. The hard fork was a disaster, the blockchain stopped for 3+ weeks, price tanked, daily volume went to almost nothing. The price and volume never recovered. When they came back online with Phi2, the Blackminer team just reprogrammed their FPGA's and then launched a public Phi2 bitstream and once again FPGA's are on the LUXcoin network, but the hard fork basically killed the coin. So you might ask, was the hard fork worth it for them...?
  15. 1 point
    Just to finish whitefire's thoughts -- the large gpu farms are no more holders then -- as some assert the Fpga miners are -- I beg to differ but not going to spend hours arguing that one again. So if you want to build a solid network learn from verus, which eventually ended up embracing all forms of mining, or go POS/MN early. Personally, I would go the second route. I too have a smaller gpu farm -- I would not mine D with it as there are more interesting coins for me to mine. I don't actually mine D anymore with the blackminer and won't likely going forward. But there are others that can help this coin going forward. Your decision, but as whitefire says choose wisely. Btw I have a ton of respect for what versus ended up doing and the path forward they chose, it is a coin I actively mine.
  16. 1 point
    u can say that about any coin over the last year.
  17. 1 point
    If the mining ends in a year anyway, why dump all that time and money/energy into forking? cpu->gpu->fpga->asic is the natural progression of a good pow coin. let the miners support the chain. have a free market mentality about the mining infrastructure imo
  18. 1 point
    Great guide, we need to start building a list of available servers, the more the better.
  19. 1 point
    Please keep it in Tribus - FPGAs aren't enemy as ASICS.
  20. 1 point
    Well lets see: FPGA I don't have, don't plan on getting one, if we keep going FPGA this just becomes one of those altcoins for another year(or 2) that will be classified as an "fpga only coin" and i'll slowly ignore it. So basicly my vote goes to GPU, this was a GPU coin when I got arround in Denarius and hope it stays like that. Sad part is FPGA ppl already running on the network and collecting their D, giving a slight disadvantage over GPU miners but oh well you win and lose some.
  21. 1 point
    So? Glad you found out about Denarius welcome, but if this poll goes in favor of GPU's as Denarius already is ASIC resistant (so why not to FPGA) you can use your toys on other coins to ruin average Joe miners' income. This coin doesn't need powerfull machinery to keep the chain secure and stable, we got FS and POS to take care of that. If its the next best thing in mining so be it, other coins can decide whether to go that way or not. This coin only has a small POW lifespan of about 3 years of which FPGA will come close to mining 2 years in total if we don't ban them now. Decentralization is key, without making it FPGA proof we let many coins go to fewer people, rather than when it's GPU only lot's of different miners small and big are able to extract a fair share rather than picking up leftovers.
  22. 1 point
    I never heard of this Denarius until I had the chance to mine it on a little FPGA.
  23. 1 point
    How to setup a basic block explorer on Denarius. Using ciquidus because it shows an extra masternode thingy. Mostly RIP'd from Biblepay explorer setup https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7elm7r/iquidus_block_explorer_guide/ #explorer we are using https://github.com/suprnurd/ciquidus/ #edit denarius.conf nano denarius.conf rpcuser=XXXX rpcpassword=XXXX daemon=1 listen=1 server=1 daemon=1 txindex=1 #install mongodb sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv 0C49F3730359A14518585931BC711F9BA15703C6 echo "deb [ arch=amd64,arm64 ] http://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu xenial/mongodb-org/3.4 multiverse" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mongodb-org-3.4.list sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install -y mongodb-org sudo service mongod start cd /var/log/mongodb tail mongod.log # [initandlisten] waiting for connections on port <port> # Port 27017 by default #setup mongodb mongo use explorerdb db.createUser( { user: "iquidus", pwd: "3xp!0reR", roles: [ "readWrite" ] } ) exit #install nodejs sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install nodejs nodejs-legacy -y sudo apt-get install npm #install ciquidus block explorer cd ~ git clone https://github.com/suprnurd/ciquidus/ explorer # gyp build errors # https://github.com/nodejs/node-gyp/issues/809 sudo apt-get install libkrb5-dev cd explorer && npm install --production cp ./settings.json.template ./settings.json #start explorer cd ~/explorer npm start #start syncing explorer to blockchain #open 2nd putty cd ~/explorer sudo node scripts/sync.js index update #Binding a Node.js App to Port 80 with Nginx https://eladnava.com/binding-nodejs-port-80-using-nginx/
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